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uh coming up after four o'clock could

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play you a little clip of this podcast

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called the hidden truth Las Vegas

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shooter hosted by Jim Breslow about

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what's what's on what's with all the

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unknown about the Las Vegas shooting he

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had the brother Bruce Patek the brother

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of Stephen Patek on and we'll play a

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clip of that and then talk to Jim

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Breslin John and Ken showed Deborah

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marques that it was KFI am 640 right now

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we're gonna talk to just a moment with

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Jim Breslow where's a podcast hidden

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truth wants Vegas shooter hidden truth

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show calm and it's it's a show devoted

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to trying to unravel all the mysteries

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surrounding that's mass murder spree by

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Stephen panic he had Stephen paddocks

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brother on the other day first panic

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remember the the loonie they kind of the

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San Fernando Valley was living as a

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vagrant for years and they found he had

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a child porn tank collection well

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somehow somehow Jim Breslow got Bruce

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paddock to sit still for any of you

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we're gonna play about three minutes of

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it and then we're gonna talk to Jim

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about how he got Bruce what was in the

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rest of the interview and just about all

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the bizarre secrecy around the Las Vegas

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shooting anyway here is hidden truth

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Jim Breslow interviewing Bruce panic the

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brother Steven panic but woke up at two

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o'clock in the morning for my for my two

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o'clock medicine and I saw that you know

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that CNN and every channel had to

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shooting and I looked again and they

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said Stephan Pat Achtung I said what so

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I called my mom and my mom answered the

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phone and I said is that Steve and she

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said I guess out and I asked her was he

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she didn't want to talk about it the

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most this interview is not gonna go very

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well and I don't expect a whole lot of

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this be aired because of my my feeling

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for other people you know I care I care

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more about the people that were hurt

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everybody's gotta be like to sit on the

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wrong end of a gun why they sell these

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weapons so what did she say as far as

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when I asked her whether you were sick

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she didn't want to talk about so I hung

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up and I saw that he'd killed a whole

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bunch of people and I realized that

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being sick like me wouldn't make you

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wanna kill a bunch of people or you

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could shoot at him so you think you kind

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of understand what was going on and said

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did I do

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yeah yeah I have to presume what

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happened was I was painted the loss of a

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the loss of the ability to control

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everything because he was always the

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controlling brother 7 years older than

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us and raised us took care of us he was

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the father and he was always mom's best

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choice he had the bright red Volkswagen

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all the neighbors wanted and he was

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always in school so he was the good kid

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I can't yeah he was the one always

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punished at us for being the bad ones I

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don't know if that makes him the good

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one or not but we never got punished by

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her mother it was always Steve or a

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combination of Steve and Pat they say he

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was controlling what do you know about

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his controlling nature his dream his

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dream to have everything looking up at

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the crystal on the counter tops going

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yeah that's my would need harridan so

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when she passes away everything's mine

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this mind the whole world was his I mean

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he went out and earned it what he earns

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you earned himself he had his first

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apartment building I think he was still

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working for the IRS and had his first

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apartment in North Hollywood bought the

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building took out the central water

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system and put in heater water heaters

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in every apartment how was he able to

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afford that building did he have help

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he's always had my mom all right that's

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Bruce paddock the brother Steven paddock

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the masked killer in Las Vegas and he's

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being interviewed by Jim Breslow and the

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podcast is hidden truth and we have Jim

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Breslow on the line here Jim thanks for

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taking time to come on with us hey John

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thanks for having me on how did you get

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Bruce paddock on your show especially

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since he's facing child pornography

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charges a lot of stories that the

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mainstream media has kind of lost touch

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with and I do there

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with covering everything Trump so it's

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poetic because it was known that he was

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going to be in court for a preliminary

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hearing and all I did was send a

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reporter over there and she was the only

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reporter there he's sitting there in a

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wheelchair waiting for his lawyer and

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she approaches them and she's you know

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got no shame because it goes up to

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anybody and chats with him it's on goes

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right on up to him next thing you know

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she's offering him a cigarette and the

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two can get chatting now it wasn't super

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easy to get it obviously his first

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answer was no but through some various

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back-and-forth eventually he agreed to

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come on my show I saw a little video

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clip of the interview a very very

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nervous emotionally fragile guy it

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looked like he was like physically

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shaking yeah in the clip that I looked

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at what what was it like being across

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from him well you know he actually has

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an engaging personality believe it or

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not so I was quite comfortable with him

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but by the same token you're sitting

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there clearly seeing that something is

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off considering the charges he's facing

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felony child pornography charges I did

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not talk to him about the the charges

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that was kind of part of the deal but he

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believes he's going to get off of them

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based on Satchel limitations I didn't

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hear about him getting off of it based

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on demerits necessarily but you know I

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had nothing to say about whether he had

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or didn't have it but you know he

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acknowledges himself that there's some

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bad DNA in the family yeah

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expand on that talk about that that you

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know that he and Steven had the same

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mental problems okay so he talked about

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was he sick like me and I naturally

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assumed that meant mental illness right

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because he's talking about killing

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fifty-eight people and I realized at the

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end of the interview that I really

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didn't properly follow up on that so I

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called him later and I said by the way

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you mentioned that the sickness what is

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the mental health condition that you're

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talking about because what are you

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talking about mental health problem the

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way you said that you suffer from a

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mental he says No

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I was talking about my back so he has

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final stenosis and it's major he's in a

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wheelchair if you look at you know I his

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neck is a huge scar he's about to go

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back into surgery

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his brothers Steve and had back surgery

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when he was young so he says he was

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talking about the spinal stenosis now on

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the one hand there seems to make zero

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sense because why would back problems no

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matter how serious they are causes you

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to go kill a bunch of people but if you

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heard what he said he's essentially

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saying that hey this back pain is so bad

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that you know I've considered suicide

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over pain and that is somewhat

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understandable right but how he in his

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oh my gosh I could I could imagine being

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in this much pain and therefore wanting

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to kill people that's a little scary

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yeah I mean trying to kill hundreds yeah

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and then there's the DNA issue which

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goes from the father and as a lot of

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people have heard about the father being

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on the FBI's most wanted list

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yelling notorious con man it ended up

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assuming a different name abandons the

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family so at one point he doesn't

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reference there being bad DNA and family

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and we've talked to the number of

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psychiatrist and so on and there is

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belief that that that can be inherited

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and as I say being a psychopath can the

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genetics impart nurturing yeah we really

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had bad of both right right I mean yeah

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because I had a Psychopaths brain I've

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had a doctor on who does brain scans

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psychopaths and it's actually structured

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differently you could spot a psychopath

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by looking at brain scan exactly that's

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the inheritance mark brain scan though

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not a dead brain scan because some

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people had actually talking to Bruce

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himself about this because he wanted to

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know what did the autopsy show he said

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his mother who's 90 in stole why I said

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there must have been something wrong

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with his brain she wanted to see the

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results of the autopsy well the autopsy

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is back and they said no abnormalities

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in the brain but that would be something

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like a brain tumor okay right but as you

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point out I think that there is some

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type of structure of brain waves or

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whatever but my understanding is your

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first has to be alive when you're

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scanning the brain to see that but yes

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absolutely there is some trait that can

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be inherited but that's only half of the

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game as my understanding things got to

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with poor nurturing in here ya know

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father Jim hang on I will continue in

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just a moment your Breslau host of the

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hidden truth podcast it's devoted

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exclusively to the Las Vegas shooting

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and he recently had first paddock

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Stephen paddocks brother on his guest

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Johnny kensho KFI your chance with $1000

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is coming up we continue with Jim

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podcast devoted exclusively to the Las

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Vegas shooting which still has a lot of

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mystery about it and recently he had

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Stephen paddocks brother Bruce on the

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show and we're gonna continue with Jim

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here uh Jim the brother that you had on

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Bruce he talked about thinking his dad

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was dead until he was 19

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yeah crazy story so basically the mom

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raised the boys to believe that their

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father was dead because he knew that he

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was either in prison or he was on the

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run from the FBI or living under another

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and she thought it would be better for

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her boys to think that he was dead and

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think that he was in prison so but

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something happens where she basically

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decides it's time to tell them Bruce was

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19 at the time and I guess Stephen would

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have been about 25 at the time and she

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gathers the four boys in a room to let

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them know for the first time that um

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actually your dad is alive this wasn't

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very well with Bruce and he did not

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speak to his mother so he says for

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another 25 years she said that your

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father would like to meet you guys and

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to say yes to say no the two younger

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ones say yes they want to meet him so

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Bruce at 19 and his younger brother Eric

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who I think may have been 17 decided to

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go go see their father and they head off

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on a road trip they helped in a in a

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truck and head off from Southern

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California up to Oregon sounds like it's

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from a movie that's true his head up in

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a truck to go meet their father for the

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first time and what was the meeting like

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well he met him by the side of the road

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that was because there wasn't a girl in

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those days and cell phones and so on so

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they pick a meet important the side of

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the road to meet him and basically he's

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going by another name he's going by

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instead of Benjamin paddock he's going

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by Bruce Erickson so he took first

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paddock his son's first name it's the

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other boys last a first name Eric

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Eric's son get it so Bruce Erickson is

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his new name but he's known Mike bingo

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Bruce up in Oregon at this point because

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he's running was essentially an illegal

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bingo hall part of his conman activities

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and it didn't go very well I think they

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spent two or three days with him he

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mostly talked about himself

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no tears are shed no apologies you know

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kind of typical psychopath behavior as a

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father yeah so that was that did not

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ease with trauma just intensified it

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probably yeah an interesting that

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Stephen had no interest in a medium but

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you know you wonder again playing a

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psychologist here what's going on when

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you're raised without a father and

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you're wanting to get the love of your

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father that you never did often times

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replicating the behavior of father can

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be something that's done so here's yeah

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I they're robbing banks and here's

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Stephen trying to beat the house in

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Vegas yeah I mean all that follows I

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mean that that's a common pattern among

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and there's many adults who were very

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angry over fathers who have abandoned

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them divorces abuse you know there's

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plenty people running around with that

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kind of anger and there's plenty of

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people who replicate their parents sins

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but so spectacularly to kill 58 people

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and they shouldn't know 500 I mean

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Baghdad that's just unfathomable yeah so

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if you you know Bruce believes that it

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was him at his brother acting alone that

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he was in controlling nature and when

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you realize you couldn't beat the house

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and started losing and you know

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spectacularly and also lost his

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girlfriend at the same time that he

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would say that it was revenge so here is

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a brother speculating but getting into

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the head of his brother in saying that

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this was revenge revenge on the casino

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revenge on Las Vegas he's going to screw

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the Mandalay Bay

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is gonna screw Las Vegas by doing this

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it's sick

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obviously it's sex so to say that's an

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explanation is of course silly but you

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know when you're sick

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well yeah it's a crazy person a crazy

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person might have a crazy trigger to do

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this so so uh Steven panic what was his

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system was working for a long time it's

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part of the reason he accumulated so

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much money but then it stopped working

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right yeah yeah you've got one doctor

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saying he thought he was bipolar

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at one point you've got him taking

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anti-anxiety medications we have him may

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be having an addiction to gambling

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you've got child pornography also on his

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computer

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Steven panic yes I hadn't heard then oh

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yeah both brothers and now that starts

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pointing back to dad again a bit and you

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wonder about dad again I'll just throw

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this out there that if you look at the

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history of the father he was he was

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known for volunteering at Boys Clubs oh

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geez yeah that's that's a red flag then

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you got you guys few more minutes sure

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because I want to talk about tests

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there's just a general mystery that

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still hangs over this case because there

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there's so little information that has

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come out about the investigation and

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about the hotel's role so just hang on

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Jim Breslow host of the hidden truth a

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podcast it's devoted to the Las Vegas

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shooting more coming up John and Ken

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am 640 we continue Jim Breslow he's got

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a podcast called hidden truth

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Las Vegas shooter interest show.com and

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he got first panic on as again statics

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brother Steven Patek who killed 58 and

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shot over 500 others in Las Vegas and

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Bruce is dealing with his own child

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pornography charges but sat down for an

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interview we're talking about the

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relationship between the mom the dad the

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brothers but Jim what has been a few

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minutes on something that's been

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baffling it's just I mean there was a

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headline just the other day in the 8th

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there's 750 hours of video 2,000 calls

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to 9-1-1 from the Vegas shooting almost

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all that is unseen and unheard and there

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has seemed to be a news blackout for all

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these months where we don't know much

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more than we did on the first day yeah

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well hence 30s and why we're still

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digging the thing that everybody's

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waiting for at this point is the FBI

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report FBI is promising the report

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within the one-year anniversary of the

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shooting so we're at six months this

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Sunday so that means we got another six

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months to go until we find out what the

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FBI has to say that strikes us as a long

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time there is a lot of things to dig

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through here and uncover I think it is

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unusual that the FBI is releasing no

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information whatsoever but you know I do

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believe it's a terror investigation and

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that's what they're digging into they're

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trying to see if there is a link to

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terror here and don't forget Isis did

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claimed responsibility for this shooting

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twice it would be really difficult to

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believe that Steven panic had an Isis

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connection yeah well and we asked Bruce

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about that in the interview and and we

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have the first half posted up on the

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hidden truth show and we're going to

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post in the second half on Sunday we

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talked about that but I would agree with

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you on the one hand it seems to be no

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connection you do however have another

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scenario where there was the guy who's

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the former Marine white guy marine who

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converts to Islam gets a Muslim name and

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was going to attack Fisherman's Wharf in

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San Francisco and that was busted by the

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FBI two months ago so until I heard that

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story I would have normally thought you

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know no way

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Steven Patek now Isis actually says that

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patty gave himself a Muslim name and you

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know they did claim responsibility very

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soon after the shooting and you would

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think that normally the motive is

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discovered very quickly in these

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situations so it doesn't little odd that

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Isis would be so quick to claim

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responsibility when it could have been

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discredited very quickly and frankly it

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hasn't been fully discredited until now

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because we don't know what his motive

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was Mandalay Bay has also been and the

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parent company MGM has been really

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squirrely about information

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we only had the security guard in the

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hallway who briefly came out of hiding

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did an Ellen DeGeneres interview and

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there were three different stories

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spread about the timing of when he got

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to the panics floor and when he got shot

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at like none of the stories added up

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because there were so many of them and

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then he disappeared and then the Las

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Vegas police stopped talking' MGM

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stopped talking I wondered if the MGM

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fears it has tremendous liability and

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because this is Las Vegas they have

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great influence on the Las Vegas police

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department is shut up - oh you're poking

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at all kinds of things there and all of

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those are correct yes they're facing a

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massive massive litigation remember they

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were also the co promoters of this

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events and this event is happening

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directly across from their hotel I

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obviously went inspected the event and

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so forth and looked at it and you look

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at where he shot from and I hate to say

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it but your reaction is holy cow he was

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in the perfect location to do what he

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did and the natural question would be

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you're directly across from 22000

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concert goers outside you're the co

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promoter of the event tell me what extra

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security did you have in place at your

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hotel in light of this event I guarantee

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you the attorneys are asking that

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question and I have a feeling they don't

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have a good answer to that because I

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would have thought that Las Vegas knows

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what a spectacular target it would be

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and that they would constantly

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constantly be on alert for mass killings

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yeah now you know did anybody anticipate

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this type of shooting I mean you know to

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give you an example the fact that it

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wasn't anticipated all of the police

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were deployed to the events there was a

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very few police that went to the

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Mandalay Bay they all went to the event

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everybody there you talked to to the

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people that were at the event they

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thought the shooters were on the ground

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they were shooting from Las Vegas they

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all thought there's multiple shooters

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first of all hence a lot of conspiracy

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theories and they all assumed that they

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were being hunted down so

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no one on the ground really anticipated

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it coming from a building and all the

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police are deployed I mean it in an hour

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they didn't breach his room until an

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hour after he stopped shooting how many

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officers were there five five total

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officers they're all the rest of them is

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SWAT teams etc etc they're all on the

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ground at the festival a lot of people I

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founded it's hard to understand how a

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guy could walk in and out in and out and

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I'm talking about Steven panic in of the

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hotel with so much weaponry so much

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ammunition and nobody at the hotel

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nobody in security notices yeah well I

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got a good one for you on that

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if you listen to our interview and

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hidden through show with Bruce he

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believes this was not the first time

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that his brother brought guns in there

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you know Vegas isn't no tourist town for

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shooting ranges and in panic it used to

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go shooting there all the time

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so for a high-roller to bring his guns

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up to his room to clean them or assemble

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them or what have you I have a feeling

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they were made I'm getting this from

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Bruce but that Steven felt like big deal

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yeah he was cool as a cucumber as

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they're bringing them up maybe they

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brought them up before or maybe he knew

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that hey worst case if they find him on

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this video you know no big deal I'm just

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you know I was at the shooting range and

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I'm just bringing him up to my room oh

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sorry sorry if I'm not allowed

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are you fine I imagine you've made a lot

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of phone calls trying to get a lot of

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guests and a lot of comments on this are

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you finding that everybody involved is

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unusually tight-lipped are you having a

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hard time getting somebody to talk even

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off the record well you know to be

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honest with you we haven't even tried

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Vegas police and FBI because tons of

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media especially in Vegas has been

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trying to get that as you point out

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they've been tight-lipped you're not

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gonna get anything out of really that

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one statement from FBI and that

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basically that they see no terror links

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Vegas police

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to their credit you can go on our

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website and we have the police report

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there and it's about 80 pages long and

544
00:22:51,690 --> 00:22:50,530
it's very detailed there's a lot of

545
00:22:54,450 --> 00:22:51,700
detailed information in the Las Vegas

546
00:22:56,460 --> 00:22:54,460
police report do you think that

547
00:23:00,330 --> 00:22:56,470
ultimately there's going to be some

548
00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:00,340
surprise twist that explains this or at

549
00:23:05,210 --> 00:23:02,710
least explains why there's so little

550
00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:05,220
information out now

551
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:07,500
in there I think so I think so

552
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,720
something's og we may never know I can't

553
00:23:14,450 --> 00:23:11,520
imagine that we're never gonna know I

554
00:23:16,010 --> 00:23:14,460
mean the FBI they've got 400 specialists

555
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:16,020
on this thing I mean they're digging

556
00:23:18,409 --> 00:23:17,370
through everything for all the stuff

557
00:23:19,850 --> 00:23:18,419
that we've uncovered they probably

558
00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:19,860
uncovered ten times what we've uncovered

559
00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:21,900
but you know you do have things like the

560
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:23,700
seven cell phones if this guy's acting

561
00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:26,250
alone why did you have seven cell phones

562
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:27,510
you got a missing hard drive that

563
00:23:31,340 --> 00:23:30,210
they're trying to figure out so yes I

564
00:23:32,779 --> 00:23:31,350
think there's something we're gonna

565
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:32,789
learn something new before this is all

566
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,240
over

567
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,799
do you have a hard time trying to keep

568
00:23:39,140 --> 00:23:36,720
yourself on the rails and not go off

569
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:39,150
into conspiracy theory land well you

570
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:41,100
know I'm naturally not necessarily a

571
00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:42,450
conspiracy theorist but you know when

572
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,460
you don't have answers then you've got

573
00:23:49,399 --> 00:23:46,559
to look into those so you can't scoff at

574
00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:49,409
them so we look at them Isis is if you

575
00:23:51,890 --> 00:23:50,460
call that a conspiracy theory that

576
00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:51,900
that's clearly one you've got the Saudi

577
00:23:56,299 --> 00:23:54,299
prince theory you've heard that one but

578
00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:56,309
no the Saudi prince was staying at the

579
00:24:01,549 --> 00:23:59,159
Four Seasons above paddock and and

580
00:24:03,020 --> 00:24:01,559
there's an allegation and he wound up in

581
00:24:05,270 --> 00:24:03,030
jail two weeks later back in Saudi

582
00:24:08,180 --> 00:24:05,280
Arabia by the crown prince when he was

583
00:24:10,399 --> 00:24:08,190
putting with the corruption charges so

584
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:10,409
there's this conspiracy theory that

585
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,820
there was an attempted assassination on

586
00:24:14,659 --> 00:24:13,200
the crown prince who was also in Vegas

587
00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:14,669
at the time now now it all ty used

588
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:16,440
together with Patek that takes a lot of

589
00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:18,090
patchwork but just to give you an

590
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:19,380
example to take the stuff that's out

591
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there hi Jim good talking with you

592
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thanks John

593
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thank you Joe Thank You patty Jim

594
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he's got part two of his interview with

595
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Bruce panic and the websites in truth

596
00:24:43,130 --> 00:24:38,610
show calm Ajani Ken show we come back on

597
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these lines a report says that this from

598
00:24:47,289 --> 00:24:44,280
Las Vegas review-journal

599
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that all the mass killers in America for

600
00:24:50,899 --> 00:24:50,070
2077 2017 they all had at least one

601
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thing in common

602
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tell you what it is we come back Johnny